Fun loving? Fancy free? Was he now? I am not so sure.
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Bah. DON’T MAKE ME PULL OUT THE AUDIO CLIPS AGAIN. But seriously, all OP really needs to do is to play through Awakenings with a mean!Warden. Tell Anders that mages deserve to be locked up and surprise! You’ll find DA2 Anders right there. You just don’t see that side of him if you agree with everything he says.
/sigh
Anders has always been bitter and angry.
Here’s the audio files, AGAIN.
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18572458132/sarcastically-thats-what-he-would-call-me
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18572385651/sarcastically-oh-i-know-i-know-most-people
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18572175953/angry-thats-what-they-call-someone-who-doesnt
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18571374838/very-angry-now-youre-beginning-to-sound-like-a
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18570000986/laughs-if-i-didnt-have-perspective-id-still
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18569151987/angry-well-excuse-me-for-living
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18570763966/sarcastically-life-as-a-hedge-mage-brewing
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18569650118/infuriated-would-you-someone-slaps-a-collar
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18569255063/utterly-outraged-does-it-also-come-with
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18569519570/silkily-content-never-mind-me-now-and-again-i
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18568409519/yeah-i-know-elves-have-it-bad-but-i-dont-see
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18568600242/bitter-says-the-noble-born-on-the-right-side
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18568229856/very-angry-the-problem-is-that-mages-are
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18567585241/angry-its-all-hysteria-the-chantry-uses-to
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18568330189/frustrated-theres-nothing-a-mage-can-do-to
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18568110033/quietly-eventually-im-sure-they-would-have
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18566807322/i-wish-i-could-tell-the-first-enchanter-im-a
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18567126931/i-want-to-be-sure-they-cant-ever-find-me-again
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18567270008/bitter-tone-so-its-one-set-of-chains-exchanged
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18567053791/whats-to-stop-the-chantry-from-deciding-that
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18567459326/angry-why-because-ill-become-a-maleficar
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18564935739/you-know-the-chantry-they-dont-believe-in
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18565569740/but-the-chantry-uses-her-words-as-a-reason-to
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18565802449/i-used-to-be-a-good-little-andrastian-i-said-my
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18565236107/what-would-she-have-thought-of-the-circle-of
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18565431468/the-magisters-yes-but-are-mages-to-be-held
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18565894055/then-the-templars-showed-up-one-day-and-dragged
Anders was betrayed by his faith- he went from being a “good little Andrastian” one day to a “sin in the eyes of the Maker” the next. He was betrayed by his father, a man who gladly threw him away once his mage powers were discovered. He was old enough to remember what freedom and a life outside the Tower was like, and when he ran away, simply wanting to be free, they dragged him back again, and again, and again. He was put into solitary confinement for a year.
Read this:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/03/30/090330fa_fact_gawande
THIS is what they did to him. This is what he was dealing with in Awakenings, what he was hiding behind that snarky exterior.
And then there’s these:
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18566053805/is-this-about-time-to-tell-you-im
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18566283484/thats-a-lot-of-rock-over-our-heads-deep
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18566495337/its-dark-down-here-and-heavy-deep-breath
http://katiebour.tumblr.com/post/18566148398/laughs-nervously-how-common-are-cave-ins-down
Could Anders’ claustrophobia possibly have anything to do with the year he spent locked in the Tower’s dungeons? I can’t find my Mage Origins photosets or I’d add some of the photos of Kinloch’s dungeons. But suffice it to say they are NOT pretty.
The side Anders showed you in Awakenings wasn’t all or even most of who he really was. It was just the side he chose to display. Dig a little deeper, play a mean!Warden, read his short story, and you begin to see the truth.
Reblogging for fantastic reference list of sound clips.
(Source: dragonageconfessions)
And finally done!! All the details I added to make sure that the outfit had the templar-y influence.
Shrinking down the armor was fun, especially for the gauntlets.
And I found a place for the flaming sword of Andraste! As a cravat pin.
The pants have the design from the base, the buttons have the teeny sunburst, his cravat also has designs from the base, and of course, the armor design. The sash is taken directly from the design and the belt have the design from hip guards.
:D Had way too much fun, since there was a particular Dalish who was just as giddy about this.
I love all of the costume details! This is so awesome. ***Swoons at steampunk Cullen*** :D
(Source: thisisthestuff732)
Now where to put Andraste’s Flaming Sword…..
:D
Again, I *really* like Cullen.
I love how this is progressing! <3
Though he is not technically a “companion” or “major player” in Dragon Age: Origins, he has grown on me. (As if my postings of him were not an indication)
Now to make this look more “templar-y” and Steampunk it up a bit :D
*does a giddy happy dance* \o/
I disagree that the Grand Cleric wouldn’t stop her. In the showdown at the beginning of Act 3, Elthina basically sent her to her room like a little girl. Hell, she called her a “good little girl,” and Meredith went without hesitation, as did Orsino. Elthina stressed the need for the two of them to see reason. The RoA is not reason. Especially if it was based solely on finding Quentin’s research.
Meredith refused the Tranquil Solution, as well, and I did not get that she was busy making every mage she could find tranquil, especially since, according to Chantry law, the First Enchanter’s permission is required. As far as I can tell, Meredith’s methods were harsh, but she did not disobey any Chantry laws.
And in her defense, Kirkwall was situated on top of
Sunnydalea hellmouth, making it susceptible to demons and therefore blood magic, and the game loves to make us believe that this is happening allllll the time.Gregoire followed all laws. He had requested RoA and more Templars from Denerim, believing the Circle lost. But, despite knowing that abominations were running rampant, gave the Circle a chance through the Warden: Bring me the First Enchanter, and I will revoke the RoA. In other words, bring me proof that all is not lost.
Meredith, on the other hand, would have done it based solely on finding Quentin’s research when we already know that higher mages, including the First Enchanter, have access to grimoires and such containing darker arts. Hell, the harrowing involves summoning demons, and supposedly, according to Gaider, phylacteries are a form of blood magic, so there’s a lot of gray up in the Circle regarding blood magic.
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I agree that Elthina seems to harbor a certain amount of sympathy for mages, and that she seems to prefer a middle-of-the-road approach in theory even if she does nothing to implement it in practice. I doubt that she would have approved the RoA, which explains Meredith going to Val Royeaux for permission from the Divine. Seb’s quest with Sister Nightingale already shows that the Divine is incredibly concerned about the situation in Kirkwall, so it doesn’t take much of a leap to think that a persuasive letter from Meredith about the supposed corruption of the Circle would lead to the Divine’s permission for the RoA.
As far as a search of the Circle, it’d be folly to think that Orsino would offer to help with any kind of incriminating evidence in his own rooms. He also says that Quentin’s research was too evil, so he put it aside, likely meaning that he either hid the letters that were passed back and forth or destroyed them.
Also keep in mind that Orsino says that the irony was that he never practiced blood magic until Act III. For all of his curiosity into esoteric/dangerous magics, he was not a blood mage until that moment.
As far as Meredith making mages Tranquil, see Gaider’s post here, which I will quote:
It’s against the rules to perform the Rite of Tranquility without both significant provocation (provocation in this case meaning the mage in question either cannot control their magic or has shown no signs of a willingness to do so) AND the agreement of the First Enchanter (who is present as a sort of ombudsman on behalf of the mages). The system will fall out of balance anywhere where the First Enchanter is either weak or ignored.
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The Templar’s Letter way back in Act I shows that Harrowed mages such as Karl were being made Tranquil without sufficient provocation, thus explaining the receiving Templar’s “crisis of conscience.” Of course the letter also implies that Alrik may have been acting without Meredith’s full understanding of the situation, hence his desire to keep Bardel from bringing his questions to Meredith.
As far as the number of mages made Tranquil, we only have Anders’ dialogue to substantiate that “dozens more are being made Tranquil every year,” and that they were “good people too, people I know passed their Harrowing,” and it’s up to the individual whether or not they believe him. But to quote from a previous discussion I was involved in:
Elsa and Karl are made Tranquil, along with Feynriel, if you turn him in to the Circle, along with the Tranquil in the courtyard pursued by her desperate former lover. He says “Don’t you remember me?” to which she replies, “Yes, you and I were involved in an illicit relationship.” The conversation goes on for a little while, and her final reply is “I am Ser Alrik’s. Only he can command me.”
Here, found a vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsydZ6zXJ14
Then there’s the elvhen guy on Sol’s side of the Gallows who walks around saying how calming it is to have been made Tranquil. There’s also the Tranquil proprietor selling stuff right next to Sol’s stall.
That’s between a third and a half of all of the visible Circle mages in DA2.
Anders says in one of his clinic dialogues (I believe it’s at the start of Act 2) that there are dozens more Tranquil every year, “selling their bloody wares.”
As for Origins, there’s Owain, the Tranquil at Ostagar, and Jowan is scheduled to be made Tranquil instead of being allowed to go through his Harrowing. Alistair also comments that he was made to assist in Tranquiling a mage as part of his Templar training.
It is the judgment of the Knight-Commander whether a mage needs to be made Tranquil.[1] The Chantry law forbids performing the Rite of Tranquility without significant provocation and the agreement of the First Enchanter. Provocation in this case means that the mage either cannot control their magic or has shown no signs of a willingness to do so.[2] Since a mage who has passed theHarrowing is deemed to be strong enough of will to resist demonic possession, forcibly making them Tranquil is theoretically against Chantry law. Practically, the situation varies from tower to tower:[1] the system will fall out of balance anywhere where the First Enchanter is either weak or ignored, resulting in the Rite being used as a punishment or a control over unruly mages.[2]
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Tranquil
Those citations are from David Gaider himself via the BSN.
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It’s fairly clear that there are a fair number of mages being made Tranquil, and if you believe Anders are being performed in contravention of Chantry law.
I think that before being corrupted by the idol, Meredith was tough, but mostly fair. Afterwards, her paranoia grew unchecked, her position allowed her to act on that paranoia, and even Cullen admits that if she’s not mad, then she’s well on the way to becoming so.
I find that Elthina talked the talk without ever walking the walk- while in a public debate she might appear as a voice of reason, in private she did little to nothing to reign in Meredith’s abuses of the Circle mages and the contravention of Chantry law. When push comes to shove in that video, she says that she must support “her templars,” and I think that makes it pretty clear where she stands.
Just my opinion, anyway.
Reblogging for reference and general head-nodding with the variety of comments above.
(Source: givethemhorns)
As an ENFP who had a lot of INFP friends, Anders is definitely not an ENFP. Merrill’s personality is closer to mine than Anders’s is. I hesitate to peg him as an INFP without my Please Understand Me book in hand, but he swings more in that direction.wadebramwilson made me think about this with her post about how Anders is an Inspirer (ENFP) :) It suits him REALLY well and describes him perfectly, but I also think that he could be an Idealist (INFP).
Here are the Idealist’s weaknesses (I bold the ones which I…
Anders is DEFINITELY not an ENFP. His Ne is not nearly prominent enough for it to be his dominant trait. But he changes enough between Awakening and DA2 that it’s really hard to get a good grasp on him.
In Awakening, he almost has a more xSFP vibe than an xNFP vibe, actually. And it’s really hard to type him in DA2 considering his merge with Justice and what he’s been driven to by that point. He reads like an unhealthy INFP in DA2, but I don’t really think that’s his actual type, more that he’s influenced in part by Justice (who seems pretty INFJish in my opinion in Awakening).
The thing is, I DON’T get an Ne vibe from him, even in DA2, but I do see a lot of Ni in him. I’d put him as an ISFP whose Ni got heavily influenced by Justice.
(For those wondering what the hell I’m talking about, here’s the function orders for all the types I’ve been talking about:
ENFP - Ne > Fi > Te > Si
INFP - Fi > Ne > Si > Te
ISFP - Fi > Se > Ni > Te
INFJ - Ni > Fe > Ti > Se)…I used to be a tad obsessed with typology theory. Hush. »;
You know, I think you’re right. I only looked at DA2 Anders when I said that I think that he is an INFP and didn’t actually bother with how much of that is Justice’s influence. And for me, he did make the impression of being a, as you put it, unhealthy INFP.
I haven’t thought about what type Anders would be without Justice, and I don’t know half as much about typology as you seem to do. I just thought about the INFP type because I am an Idealist and thought, “Well, that’s totally Anders”. :D And the INFP’s weaknesses mentioned on the website really suit him, so I came to that conclusion.
But I just looked up the difference between Ne and Ni again (because I keep getting confused with all those functions…it’s freaking complicated :D) and I completely agree with you. :)
Heh, info about types and functions tend to be TERRIBLE on the internet. There’s a huge N-bias, so all the S-types tend to be described very poorly, which makes it harder to work through.
The number one example I always give for Ne is Dr. House (ENTP). That back and forth brainstorming thing he does is CLASSIC Ne. Very bantery, if you catch my drift. Ni can often come to the same conclusions, but it’s usually a more internal process, which makes it harder to spot. Think the most recognizable Ni-dominant user would be Professor Snape (INTJ).
And where it gets really tricky for Anders is the fact that unhealthy types present in different ways. Anders’ Se is pretty prevalent in Awakening, you can pretty much see that in any of the party banter, but it’s almost hidden in DA2. Likely that has something to do with Justice. What I think happens with Anders in DA2 is that he suppresses his Se to the point where he relies pretty much on his Fi and Ni, and Fi-Ni loops on the surface look VERY INFP-like, except obviously it’s very unhealthy and there’s a distinct lack of Ne.
…oiy, I hope that makes sense. It’s been yeeears since I’ve studied this stuff in-depth, so I’m not sure how coherent it is. XD;
Reblogging for awesome (and there must be something in the air because I was quietly mapping some of the other characters to personality types over coffee the other day).
(Source: personalitypage.com)
Orsino from Dragon Age 2
This character had interesting and tragic story. i liked how things turned up when it came to face wizards in the final battle. If you choose to help the order and murder all the magicians, Orsino in the act of desperation devoted himself using blood magic which was very dramatic in my opinion.
Unfortunately if you choose to help magicians instead of helping the order his actions are the same which make all of your efforts, well… just meaningless.
Sebastian’s belt buckle isn’t all that big a deal anymore once you realize that Orlesian templars apparently have the Blade of Mercy adorning their crotchflaps.
“Oh no, big templar man! What are you going to do with that sword?”
D:
XDDDDDD
The artist who designed the Orlesian templar armor had far too much fun with it.